Post by chrisb on Aug 12, 2020 15:32:04 GMT
The recent article in the newsletter about the Javelin prompted a question about why the fin flashes on the Javelin were so much larger than on other RAF types of the same era.
JAVELIN
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Gloster_Javelin_T.3_XH443_226_OCU_ACK_14.09.63_edited-2.jpg/440px-Gloster_Javelin_T.3_XH443_226_OCU_ACK_14.09.63_edited-2.jpg
HUNTER
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Hawker_Hunter_FR.10_XE626_9_229_OCU_CHIV_07.08.71_edited-2.jpg
Mike McEvoy ventured that it was to help Javelin navigators locate their aircraft on the ground but also delved a little deeper and I have copied some of the email correspondence to date. If you can add anything please do!
I do know a friend who could well produce a real answer, pursuing as he does a lot of record office leads in to colours and markings. He keeps firmly away from e-mail, but I’ll write the query on a passing snail and see what comes back; if anyone will produce an answer it’ll be Paul, and I’d like to give Keith at least a paragraph. I have a soft spot for the Javelin, tho’ the nearest I got to one was sharing a flight line and hearing the Sapphires boom in to life. And I did see the GA.5 on its first flight, tailed by a Meteor 7, when I was school in Cheltenham; it was al least six months before any informative photos were published, so very few of us knew it has a tailplane!
Thanks for posing the query.
Mike
Keith and full supporting cast
Apologies for taking so long to follow up on the Javelin fin flash, but after talking to my favourite researcher I have a sort of answer. Paul has been a delver in to national records at Kew, and since they moved, and can usually offer a quote from Air Ministry correspondence; the nearest that he’s been able to find was a WWII Air Publication laying out the requirements for large aircraft needing a considerable stretch of thought to apply to the GA.5 when it was being put together. Gloster apparently had odd habits of their own when applying to tail markings, with many of their Hurricanes emerging from the factory with the red covering a substantial portion of the fin. A later influence could have been the marking on the early mark Meteor fins.
Peter Caygill’s “Javelin from the Cockpit” has photos of WD804 on “early test flights” over Gloucestershire showing the proportions, and how the custom of aligning the rear of the fin flash with the forward hinge line of the rudder wouldn’t have worked; a secondary effect of sweep back to which people were still getting used. The only photo of the aircraft permitted to be published for six months or so was from a low angle and nose on didn’t show the tail at all, to conceal the tailplane, which Their Airships wanted to stay secret; as I’d seen it on its first flight I couldn’t understand why it wasn’t common knowledge.
You could fill quite a number of Javelin Trivia columns, like why there was a paragraph in heavy type in the Pilot’s Notes on never attempting to loop the aircraft!
Thanks for raising the question; it’s reminded me of a few points of my Lost Youth
Mike
JAVELIN
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Gloster_Javelin_T.3_XH443_226_OCU_ACK_14.09.63_edited-2.jpg/440px-Gloster_Javelin_T.3_XH443_226_OCU_ACK_14.09.63_edited-2.jpg
HUNTER
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Hawker_Hunter_FR.10_XE626_9_229_OCU_CHIV_07.08.71_edited-2.jpg
Mike McEvoy ventured that it was to help Javelin navigators locate their aircraft on the ground but also delved a little deeper and I have copied some of the email correspondence to date. If you can add anything please do!
I do know a friend who could well produce a real answer, pursuing as he does a lot of record office leads in to colours and markings. He keeps firmly away from e-mail, but I’ll write the query on a passing snail and see what comes back; if anyone will produce an answer it’ll be Paul, and I’d like to give Keith at least a paragraph. I have a soft spot for the Javelin, tho’ the nearest I got to one was sharing a flight line and hearing the Sapphires boom in to life. And I did see the GA.5 on its first flight, tailed by a Meteor 7, when I was school in Cheltenham; it was al least six months before any informative photos were published, so very few of us knew it has a tailplane!
Thanks for posing the query.
Mike
Keith and full supporting cast
Apologies for taking so long to follow up on the Javelin fin flash, but after talking to my favourite researcher I have a sort of answer. Paul has been a delver in to national records at Kew, and since they moved, and can usually offer a quote from Air Ministry correspondence; the nearest that he’s been able to find was a WWII Air Publication laying out the requirements for large aircraft needing a considerable stretch of thought to apply to the GA.5 when it was being put together. Gloster apparently had odd habits of their own when applying to tail markings, with many of their Hurricanes emerging from the factory with the red covering a substantial portion of the fin. A later influence could have been the marking on the early mark Meteor fins.
Peter Caygill’s “Javelin from the Cockpit” has photos of WD804 on “early test flights” over Gloucestershire showing the proportions, and how the custom of aligning the rear of the fin flash with the forward hinge line of the rudder wouldn’t have worked; a secondary effect of sweep back to which people were still getting used. The only photo of the aircraft permitted to be published for six months or so was from a low angle and nose on didn’t show the tail at all, to conceal the tailplane, which Their Airships wanted to stay secret; as I’d seen it on its first flight I couldn’t understand why it wasn’t common knowledge.
You could fill quite a number of Javelin Trivia columns, like why there was a paragraph in heavy type in the Pilot’s Notes on never attempting to loop the aircraft!
Thanks for raising the question; it’s reminded me of a few points of my Lost Youth
Mike